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inti's avatar

Huy no! Too many things mixed in a confusing way in this post....

It is transparent to me that you have a bone to pick with whatever you call cancel culture. I perceive, that you are doing a good old thing that the right wing people warns frequently about: you are shooting straw men.

It seems to me that you are more or less inventing a set of categories, crossing two things, and then using what you just created to criticise cancel culture. But I think this is a strange sideway manner to get to your goal. If you want to criticise cancel culture, do so. No need to invent strange categories.

About your categories, I think that you mix two things that do not belong in the same domain. Hypocritical refers to a person. Paradoxical refers to an argument. Already there you are mixing apples and pears. And then it gets more weird when you describe the crosses. A cynic doe snot have to be hypocritical. A cynic can be very transparent. Cynic is scarcely related with being hypocritical. Check the dictionary definitions...

So I would say that I am very interested in whatever arguments you have about what you call cancel culture. I think that cancel culture as such does not exist, and it is just another straw man. But that does not matter here. What I see is that you created straw categories, and you are applying them to events that you dislike. Hum...

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Moises P Ramirez's avatar

Thank you Inti for reacting to this post!

Maybe your right with the use of hypocrisy as a category to be related with cynicism, so that it led to a certain confusion. But I used it to refer to purport a blatant lack of ethical behavior. I would argue that cynics are essentially unethical because they usually say that they believe in a lie, regardless that they do know it's a lie and regardless that they ultimately recognize that it's a lie, or don't. So, I've chosen "hypocrisy" to avoid the riddles of messing up with ethical considerations while keeping the point closer to what I wanted to say...

Well, regarding to the crossing of categories I like to do that. I know that I take risks by doing so, and I may get into problems. But, from my point of view, in this case I think I mixed red and green apples, but not apples and pears. One category refers to a general behavior of people (to be hypocrite or not); and the other refers to a certain classification of what the people can be saying (to say something paradoxical or not) in a given situation. The strawman critique could also be an observation on the validity of the experimental character of what I'm doing in this case when crossing categories to try to analyze a complex situation.

What I witnessed when the US Congress committee asked the three ivy league university presidents, was puzzling. I couldn't understand why they were behaving as they did. So, I came up with this risky way of explaining such phenomenon by relating it to the pervasive penetration of radical social justice perspectives into the very top echelons of top universities in the USA. Only that penetration could have explained why these presidents didn't utter a simple answer to the very clear question posed to them. They were exposed to be accused of applying a double standard of ethical norms, in front of a large audience outside the confortable settings of academia where it's supposed to be a safe place to debate everything. But ironically, the penetration of RSJ and its concomitant cancel culture practices have been erasing the safety of the debates in universities, in which a nuanced answer like the ones they intended to offer during their interrogatory, could surely be given without concern.

An approach to truth is an essential component of both the academia and the legal system. The immanent presence of paradoxes in our mind processes makes it hard. But, it's even harder when a dogmatic, identitarian way of dealing with narratives of particular "truths" gets in the way, cancelling anything that don't match such stories just because they're different.

I'm not sure if I managed to explain myself regarding your commentaries, but I'm aware that this topic of my criticizing of progressive politics is one that we've been dealing with for quite a while. and we're probably not going to agree this time either.

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